Mormon meeting which could have moved to include women – refuses to admit women to speak out

Hundreds of Mormon women who want ecclesiastical equality were denied admittance to a male-only session of their faith’s spring conference on Saturday, in their attempt promote the ordination of women into the lay priesthood.

Adorned in purple, members of Ordain Women marched through a hailstorm from a park to the Salt Lake Tabernacle on Temple Square, the heart of a four-block campus that is the global home of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They were seeking unfilled seats at the evening priesthood meeting at the faith’s biannual conference…

In advance of Saturday’s event, church officials had asked Ordain Women to refrain from bringing their cause to Temple Square, saying it would detract from the “spirit of harmony” at the two-day conference, which includes four events open to both genders and the male-only priesthood meeting. In a statement late on Saturday, church officials expressed displeasure with what they called the women’s “refusal to accept ushers’ directions and refusing to leave when asked”.

Ordain Women has objected to being characterized by the church as protesters. “We’re not activists. We’re not protesters,” said Kate Kelly, a Washington, DC-based human rights attorney and lifetime Mormon who last year co-founded the group with about 20 other women. “We’re people on the inside. We are investing in an institution … not critiquing it to tear it down,” she said…

Women are powerless in matters of church governance and can make no autonomous decisions, even at the highest levels, Kelly said.

Church officials declined an interview request in advance of Saturday’s event.

Ordination of women to the priesthood is a matter of doctrine that is contrary to the Lord’s revealed organisation for His Church,” said last month’s church letter to the group.

If it wasn’t already a painful experience to the women who still believe in a religion which excludes any serious role for them in the policies of that church – I would be tempted to look for something humorous, useless and foolish in the statements of the male insiders on behalf of the LDS Church.

Sadness, disdain for fools who believe they must continue doctrine centuries out-of-date as a bastion against a world that continues to change without their participation – is all I can feel.

California proposition 8, ban on gay marriage overturned — UPDATED

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Frank and his husband Joe Kapley-Alfano embrace

An appeals court on Tuesday found California’s gay marriage ban unconstitutional in a case that may lead to a showdown in the Supreme Court.

Supporters of the ban said they would appeal the judgment…Their appeal is likely to keep gay marriage in the state on hold pending future proceedings. But the lawyers who won the appeals court round called the decision a milestone, and outside City Hall in San Francisco, a center for gay rights, dozens of same-sex couples hugged and kissed in public, cheering the ruling.

“It means we are included in the American Dream,” said Joe Capley-Alfano, who married his husband, Frank, in the summer of 2008, a window of legal same-sex marriage in California.

The majority in the 2-1 decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that California’s Proposition 8 ban did not further “responsible procreation,” which was at the heart of the argument by the ban’s supporters.

“Proposition 8 serves no purpose, and has no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California, and to officially reclassify their relationships as inferior to those of opposite-sex couples,” the ruling reads.

Can you imagine these idiots who bankrolled Prop 8 trying to convince anyone other than some spooky True Believer that the only function of sex is responsible procreation. Their own children must laugh at them hiding reality in the bedroom.

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Arizona Mom – and daughter – accused of abusing same boy

County Supervisor Fulton Brock’s daughter has been arrested and accused of molesting the same boy her mother is charged with sexually abusing over a three-year period.

Rachel Katherine Brock, 21, the daughter of Fulton and Susan Brock, faces three counts of sexual conduct with a minor and one of furnishing obscene materials to a minor. The charges are related to incidents that began when the boy was 14 and she was 18, according to court papers.

Susan Brock, 48, faces 15 child abuse counts for allegedly abusing the same boy starting when he was 13 years old and she was 45, the court documents report.

Mother and daughter are both being held without bond

The reports do not say whether mother and daughter knew of each other’s alleged activities with the reported victim. However, the daughter’s alleged sexual contact with the boy took place within the time frame her mother is accused of molesting him.

County Supervisor Brock…said in a statement…”I have filed to divorce my wife. I cannot divorce my daughter. She is my blood. I will always be her Dad….As a person of faith I ask for your continued prayers.”

I guess that Family Values thing still works for vote-getting in Arizona.

Mormon couple barred as Scout leaders on religious grounds

You’d think a few more homophobes would be welcome

In shopping around for a Cub Scout program for their two sons, ages 6 and 8, Jeremy and Jodi Stokes decided on the one at Christ Covenant Church in Matthews.

The Stokes, also of Matthews, weren’t members of the evangelical megachurch, but they had many friends who were. And unlike the Cub Scout pack at their own church, which doesn’t have a program for 6-year-old Tiger Scouts, Christ Covenant’s was big enough to accommodate both of their boys.

The couple even signed up to be Scout leaders – he would lead the Bears, she’d help with the Tigers – when they discovered the church needed more adult help. And when the Scouting officials at Christ Covenant found out Jeremy Stokes was an Eagle Scout, they were thrilled.

So why, in the end, did Christ Covenant reject the Stokes’ application to be Scout leaders?

Because they’re Mormons. And, therefore, not real Christians, church officials told the couple last month…

The Stokes were told their sons were welcome to join, and that they could volunteer. But as practicing Mormons, they couldn’t be leaders…

Mark Turner, executive director of the Mecklenburg County Council of the Boy Scouts, said it’s the first local instance he knows of where parents were rejected for Scout leadership on religious grounds…

The crap goes round and round. This is a well-researched article. Of course, everyone accepts the premise that Cub Scouts have to be led or sponsored by someone stuck into Christianity. So, one sect advocating the hatred of someone else – is rejected by another sect whose superstition makes them superior to whoever they fear, this week.

I feel sorry for the little buggers. One more trap they’ll have to work their way out of on their own.

I was in the Cub Scouts when I was a kid. As I recall, we met in the gymnasium of a community center that was part of a Catholic Church. The kids from my block didn’t last too long, though.

It was a day and age when the division of neighborhoods by ethnicity and race was not only accepted – it was iron-clad. We were tough enough to cross every neighborhood boundary – but, the reverse wasn’t true. So, they kicked us out.

Setback for homophobe politics in Maine

“We don’t want to reveal who’s picking up the tab for our fear and hatred!”

The Maine attorney general is prodding a national group that fights same-sex marriage to reveal its donors by Election Day, after a federal judge on denied the group’s request for a restraining order.

Voters will decide on next week whether to repeal Maine’s law allowing same-sex marriage, a ballot question that has been the focus of a heated battle this fall. As of last Friday, the group, the National Organization for Marriage, had supplied more than half of the $2.6 million raised for the repeal effort.

The National Organization for Marriage, based in Washington, also played a central role in last year’s successful effort to ban same-sex marriage in California. It is waging similar battles in Iowa, New Jersey, New York and other states.

Supporters of same-sex marriage have pressured opposition groups to disclose their donors — and even people who have signed their petitions — as the national battle over the issue has intensified. In Maine, a state ethics commission announced in early October that it would investigate whether the National Organization for Marriage was flouting campaign finance laws to keep its donors anonymous…

“Maine has a very strong interest in providing its voters with information about the source of money that funds the campaign on either side of a ballot issue,” Judge Hornby wrote.

Just as important is the question of removing tax-free status for churches and their flunkies who participate in electoral politics. They should be regulated and lose tax-exempt status.

Why continue the fraud of exempting religious groups from paying their fair share?